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RotteN · Aug 04, 2006, 11:39 AM // 11:39

simple solution : stop doing HA :P it's full of "rank nazi's" and while rank displays a certain amount of experience, it says nothing about skill or knowledge.

I started playing pvp after i finished pve, being in a wellknown pvp guild at that time (Dynasty Warriors) it wasn't that hard to get started, first build i played was chain air spike, cause i only had ele skills unlocked

. After that it's just a matter of keeping up the pace. The more you play something, the better you'll understand the roll, and the better you'll be at playing it.

JR · Aug 04, 2006, 11:47 AM // 11:47

Sounds like a lot of people are basing their experience from RA games and pugging in HA.

I can't honestly think of a worse way to experience PvP. Team Arenas with friends, and GvG. The only two kinds worth the time, in my opinion.

Don't even get me started on rank...

Tark Alkerk · Aug 04, 2006, 11:56 AM // 11:56

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Originally Posted by Reza

Firstly: everything i said is about HA i never do AB, and i have no problem with RA (its random, u cant complain about a random thing

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i dont know about rank 500, we r talking about a player who is going to start PVP and his 1 day is bad enough to make him give up! he will never get to rank 500!
(well they couldnt go rank 500 if they were acting like that

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i have to say since you are in a rank 500 guild, you hve no idea what im talking about! if u wanna understand me, go HA without your guild and pretend that you r an unranked player! (it will be your first and last time i bet, just like everyone else who tries to it)

i regularly play with people in HA without my guild
i said that at the bottom of my post
and i didn't start at playing in rank 500 plus gvgs when i first got this game.
i started at the very bottom and i mean very bottom, as in was rank 0, and in guild which had a guild rank off about 7000, over the months i worked my way up through guilds and made the guilds that was in play better and win more often around about that time i went into halls Rank 0 like every other nobody and played in halls, got some fame went back to playing gvg again.
i have been there.
just because i play in the rank 500 sort of area of gvg atm, doesn't mean i have always been there, i am now rank 3 thanks to a former guild which taught my basically how to play in halls and pvp in genreal, needless to say once i actually had a clue of what to do i went there with PUGs and won.
its a slow and steady progression.
so in essance i have PUG'd halls many a time and still do.
it helps me ironcailly get away from all the pve that i have been doing since the release of factions.
all in all,
the guilds i have been in taught me what i needed.
i know the frustion of beening turned down by a team beacuse i am not rank 3. i have been there and done it and now (hopefully) past it.
to conclude:
i am not a big fan off halls,
it mainly comes down to 3,2,1 spike and/or space bar
slash slash slash.
but it is posssible,
you can't sit in the dulldroms forever.

LightningHell · Aug 04, 2006, 12:01 PM // 12:01

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Originally Posted by Reza

there are more jerks in pvp for sure! alot more!
there are many more frindly and good players in PVE, at least monsters dont start insulting you after they killed you like its their first time winning a match!
its very rare that a pve team fall apart after a fail, they just kick jerk(if there is any) and try again...
but in PVP teams people start leaving after first fail, they even leave before you completly fail!

ah and pls stop this BS! who says PVP needs practise? have u ever tried it? this pvper guys think they r doing a great job using someone elses builds? yeah if u using your own special build u need practise! but for other things...
for example u think doing touch ranger needs practise? just choose a target and tap 1 & 2 on your keyboard as fast as you can!
u think iway needs practise? all players in an iway team just spamming their skill bar!
u think spiking needs practise? use a premade spiking build and TS/Vent, u dont need anything else!
a good PVp monk really needs practise or any other player who has an individual build but really, why u think some builds get popular? cuz they dont need practise! FAME FARMING!

Rofl.

Taurus · Aug 04, 2006, 12:03 PM // 12:03

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Originally Posted by RotteN

simple solution : stop doing HA :P it's full of "rank nazi's" ...

NO RANK FOR YOU !

j/k

Racthoh · Aug 04, 2006, 12:10 PM // 12:10

I find it just stresses me out, and real life is supposed to do that not my video games. Everyone seems to want to win rather than just getting 4 or 8 people together and having fun.

Pandora's box · Aug 04, 2006, 12:11 PM // 12:11

PvP looks very much like some kind of real time MtG. Combining good skills is of the essence, but a fast reaction is most important. I like MtG because you can take your time to create a deck and think over the moves you make in game. In a real time environment there's no time to start considering what your next move will be. As an alternative I could practice some 'standard moves' but for the same reason I like to take my time to think over things, I highly dislike to watch and to interpret all kinds of skill icons coming up and rapidly take action on it.

As for teams: I'm not the person who likes to justify himself and have all kinds of obligations. Its take it or leave it. So I'm always relieved when a vital PvE mission has come to a good end and I can go my own way again...

glountz · Aug 04, 2006, 12:16 PM // 12:16

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Originally Posted by Skids

We live off and for each other so people saying we ought to play one or the other gametype is showing lack of knowledge & understanding.

You play the game like you want.
Guild Wars is a CORPG, designated by its own developpers like this, I don't lie. Check the Guild Wars Official Website Synopsis, and interviews of the devs. It is intentionnally developped and its mechanics tuned toward PvP. That's the truth. Maybe you're playing the wrong game if you didn't know this. Guild Wars was never intended to be PVE-oriented. It has become (to my displeasure) really PVE oriented because the community begged for; this community being, at last for half of it, composed by PVEers.

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Originally Posted by Numa P.

What annoys me about GW PvP is that your personal skill is like 10% of whether you win or not, 25% is your personal build, and 65% is the composition and skill of the rest of the team.
There are no star players in GW. Take War Machines best player, give him a flashbot ele, then take a complete newbie and give him a five minute course on how to play a touch ranger, and the newbie will beat the War Machine guy.

Seriously, I wonder where you got these numbers. If you were right, then everyone using EW premades would win over other buids.
The build is something. But personnal skill is everything. A party with a monk with a poor build but knowing the importance of positionning and kiting will own a party with a boonprot but completely unaware of its mechanics and the basics of the game (if he does not kite, he will loose quickly).
About your 65% skill team... Sorry, i'm bothered. And tempted to say that you're talking crap. The team skill is simply the addition of the personnal skill of each of its component. You cannot have a team of 2 morons and believe the others will save the team by their own.
GW promotes teamplay and team strategies, true. Was it designed in another way? No. Every update trend go towards the eradication of soloing and teamplay promoting. That's the way the game is intended. Teamplay, communication and friendship over personnal. Play another game if you don't like this.
The team composition is very important, yes, as the build of each character is.
What bothers me is your "i'm a star player at FPS and i'm all solo" attitude.
I'm very sorry. BtB's victory at the World video games Championship (Paris Bercy, ESWC 2006) was not due to "personnal skilll ooooh I solo 4vs1" (BtB is a french girl team who got a gold medal at Counter Strike Women). Sorry. They had a great team play and were not acting solo. Team Play and Communication are central in FPS as well as in GW. At least, if you plan to do "serious" tournaments and to win.
I'm done with this.
You want to increase sportsmanship and PvP level? Work for this.

Cador · Aug 04, 2006, 12:57 PM // 12:57

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Originally Posted by Crimson Ashwood

This thread isn't inflamitory, it's simple question put to the Guild Wars community as to why they don't PvP.

Regardless of how awesome you are at a game, the transition from PvE to PvP is a big one, that's fine... I've not got a problem with that, but it is. Furthermore, I do have half a brain, two halves actually... and just because you "can" figure something out, doesn't mean the learning curve isn't quite steep.

... and no, that doesn't mean I think there needs to be a change.

I do appreciate your offer to the community to help them, that's a very nice gesture!

I've got to say one thing for PvP, the best learning experiance I've had, is in the level 1 - 10 arena. It's very simple and teaches you what works and what doesn't within about 20 matches... but still, that's a far cry from the serious PvP.

That is true, which is why if anyone hear would care to read in gladiators arena there are people willing to help which is one reason why i am getting frustrated theres a whole thread dedicated to finding groups... It is just a matter for reading, and in all honesty pvp is not very difficult to learn. Dedicate a week-two reading guides or reading up on other things or simply doing it. hell iway it will teach you something about it if you must.

Gli · Aug 04, 2006, 12:59 PM // 12:59

You know what bothers me the most in discussions like this? People telling other people to go play another game because they don't enjoy PvP. It takes me a bit of effort to stay civil in the face of that.

And please don't tell me what kind of game GW is. Even ANet can't make up their minds. CORPG? 'C' for competitive? Not when I started. It was 'C' for Cooperative back then.

Poison Ivy · Aug 04, 2006, 01:02 PM // 13:02

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Originally Posted by JR-

Sounds like a lot of people are basing their experience from RA games and pugging in HA.

I can't honestly think of a worse way to experience PvP. Team Arenas with friends, and GvG. The only two kinds worth the time, in my opinion.

Don't even get me started on rank...

*sigh*

I'm with ya there jack.

Stockholm · Aug 04, 2006, 01:06 PM // 13:06

I allready have a Job, don't need another one.

Yanman.be · Aug 04, 2006, 01:10 PM // 13:10

Some people don't pvp because I just saw a whammo and a whamme on a Mo/W with SoJ killing themselves. The Mo/w had 2 boon prots and a mesmer.

Electric Sky · Aug 04, 2006, 01:17 PM // 13:17

the thing i hate about PvP the most is that it cannot only rely on your own skills but you also have to rely on other people to make a win.

and they always leave during a damn fight !

Rent · Aug 04, 2006, 01:21 PM // 13:21

guyz this one time i went into ra and i cast mending right? cuz its what i do all the time when entering a game? yeah and this monk on my team called me a n00b and it just pissed me off what an elitest!

Aera Lure · Aug 04, 2006, 01:22 PM // 13:22

I like character development, exploration, co-operative play, friendly players, being able to joke around a little while playing, the sense of accomplishment from building a character, and story if applicable.

PvP has never interested me long enough to get any sense of co-operative play from it (which it obviously has) being so centered fundamentally on winning and defeating the opponent. I find it usually devolves into fairly non-creative insults and the use of win counts to show the sense of accomplishment, which promotes a bit of arrogance on behalf of some. I find that in FPS and most internet gaming based on primarily competitive play and frankly, I play games to avoid that sort of thing. I'm sure PvP can be fun, and I do play competitive gaming (used to play M:tG both casual and tournament), but the internet seems to bring an added wrinkle I dont like. I just dont need that aspect of it. Its probably fun in a really good PvP-based guild where you are working together with a decent team with whom you get along really well, but alas, the RA work it would take to get to that level does not in any way motivate me to try.

Numa Pompilius · Aug 04, 2006, 01:28 PM // 13:28

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Originally Posted by glountz

Seriously, I wonder where you got these numbers.

Quite obviusly I pulled them out of my butt. That's my estimate.

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If you were right, then everyone using EW premades would win over other buids.

If there was such a thing as a universally best build, and the EW premades were that, and your entire team ran that best build, yeah. There isn't, due to the rock-scissors-bag effect; the only times there exists a best build is when there are broken builds, like the D/Mo spike build, and ANet fixes those ASAP.

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But personnal skill is everything.

OK, grab yourself a flashbot and I'll grab a touch necro, and let's see if you can beat me. Or you can have the touch necro and I'll take a crippling anguish mesmer.

THIS is truth, however:

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GW promotes teamplay and team strategies, true. Was it designed in another way? No. Every update trend go towards the eradication of soloing and teamplay promoting. That's the way the game is intended. Teamplay, communication and friendship over personnal. Play another game if you don't like this.
The team composition is very important, yes, as the build of each character is.

Yeah, it's pretty much *everything*. There is no "I" in GW PvP.

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What bothers me is your "i'm a star player at FPS and i'm all solo" attitude.
I'm very sorry. BtB's victory at the World video games Championship (Paris Bercy, ESWC 2006) was not due to "personnal skilll ooooh I solo 4vs1"

But that is exactly my point. Personal skill is (nearly) irrelevant. You can't be a complete moron, but you don't need to be a star in GW.

In fact, you can't have stars in GW, because the scissors-bag-rock effect means you're only as good as your build and your team build. That's why GW doesn't have and will never have "rail-gods" or someone like Thrasher, individual people with near magical skill and the ability to turn matches.

This thread asked the question why I don't PvP. Well, I don't PvP (much) because in GW my personal skill is irrelevant, and I'm not a team player.

Well99 · Aug 04, 2006, 01:33 PM // 13:33

Actually it pretty simple.I like pve.I puttered with pvp but it isnt something I enjoy so why do it.In D you use to have those 90 levels that use to jump 30..40 levs so I build a anti pker.In GW you dont have that silliness.
In GW I played with it but it isnt something that it is fun for me. So why should I do it.It isnt about win or losing but I like playing agaist the game.
Oh just a note:I notice in some guilds they try to push you into in it.Wrong answer.Before I join a guild I let them know strictly PVE.Doesnt seem to sink in.So I leave the guild.Why push a person into it.If you like to pvp more power to you but if someone likes pve then that is their right.
Also in pve there are plenty of rage quitters,prima donna's,afkers,people who bail during the game...oh well

WasAGuest · Aug 04, 2006, 01:35 PM // 13:35

I don't PvP in GW cause of the way it plays out. It's rushed and yet boring at the same time. I'll try and make that make since:

I love Rome Total War PvP with teams. Having to keep watch of the flanks and the enemy movement as they march towards your city (for example) and setting your armies for the defence is slow enough to allow some actual thought, yet keeps you busy thinking and trying to out think your foes. Add another person on your team trying to defend or attack and it becomes a great effort of strategy.

Kais Unduli · Aug 04, 2006, 01:42 PM // 13:42

PvP was something I did on the side while I completed my missions and quests, but after I finished Prophecies on my second character I took PvP a lot more seriously. I now have rank3 and over 221k balthazar faction on my main account, and am going to start working on my second account now. PvP is a great break from the grind of PvE, until you realize it has a grind of its own, and is much less rewarding.

To all those who think PvP is hard to get into, don't just jump right in and think you're going to have success. It takes months before you pick up and what works and what doesn't.